Talk:2b2t

Is Celebspulse reliable?

The source is used once in the article and I'm unsure of its reliablity. X-Editor (talk) 21:59, 9 March 2021 (UTC)

@X-Editor: It has since been removed. There was a discussion here that concluded it to be generally unreliable. —  Melofors  TC  17:42, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

@Melofors: Seeing as the source is unreliable, how are we going to remove it from the article? X-Editor (talk) 18:04, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

@X-Editor: You already removed it yourself here. —  Melofors  TC  21:58, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

@Melofors: I’m talking about Celebspulse, not sportskeeda. X-Editor (talk) 22:18, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 June 2021

I would like to add some things to the culture section as I don't think this was made by a 2b2t player as 2b2t isn't all nihilistic and there are many establishments friendships and many large settlements where 2b2t players are peaceful while this isn't always noticeable to a new player is existent as these "events" are usually for people who are established enough to be trusted 123xz22187 (talk) 12:40, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 12:46, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

the culture section as I don't think this was made by a 2b2t player No need to worry, it was. Leijurv (talk) 19:17, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 June 2021

2b2t now is updated to 1.16.5 and is no longer 1.12 MR magnan (talk) 11:09, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

 Not done I did a quick search and seems like as of a few hours ago 2b was still 1.12... but regardless if it is, it can't be added until a reliable source publishes that information (since I used a synthesis of a few reddit posts for that information, which obviously isn't reliable)   melecie   t 11:22, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

Exploit

Should the recent news of an exploit be included in this article?[1] X-Editor (talk) 02:55, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

Yeah! Not immediately, but very soon. There are a number of mistakes in that article and I have messaged the author to see if they are willing to correct them. It's Saturday though, so they probably won't reply until Monday at least. But yeah absolutely it's extremely exciting to finally get another WP:RS about 2b2t, means there's finally something to do in this article! Leijurv (talk) 03:06, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

@Leijurv: What mistakes did the author make? Glad you've contacted them. I'm also glad to finally see another RS covering 2B2T, seeing as there hasn't been one since 2016. X-Editor (talk) 15:03, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

@X-Editor: Speaking of another RS, there's also this if you are not aware. But it would make the article a WP:COI since it mentions leijurv in it. —  Melofors  TC  17:41, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

It wouldn't make the article itself COI (that's not a thing), it would simply be him with COI, thus he should take particular care editing the topic (and declare COI if he intends to do any significant editing). Anyone else could cite and use that source without COI concerns. —  HELLKNOWZ   ▎TALK 17:46, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

It's an interesting question. I think that windowscentral isn't RS. And even then, windowscentral only mentions me as credit for one of the images (correctly, as I wrote the program that made it). I don't think that's COI. Kotaku doesn't mention me at all. But the primary source that Kotaku cites, the YouTube video, mentions me a number of times, and I helped do things such as edit the script for that YT video, and make more images and videos for that YT video. I don't feel like I have any stronger COI than before, I've been playing on this MC server for years. It's just recently that a few articles have been written about my data analysis. Shrug. I'll be sad if I have to stop editing the article entirely. But my understanding is that at-worst I'll just have to not edit whatever is written about the exploit. Because I have no COI with the server itself, it's just that I helped the people who were exploiting it for the last while. Leijurv (talk) 18:42, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

Alright, a new WP:RS came out and I think it's sealed the deal: I certainly cannot edit mainspace about this due to COI sadly (under my current understanding of COI). Take a look at this PCGamer article: [2]. They copy-paste huge swaths of the explanation I wrote on my GitHub. Honestly it feels excessive and doesn't seem like fair use (but of course I won't do anything about it lol). It also uses the heatmap image I made. Well I suppose that's a good thing because I could (and probably will, why not) upload that to Commons since it's something I fully made myself.

I also definitely think that this is an example of citogenesis. The phrases has at times been named the 'worst' Minecraft server in existence and The community around 2B2T and the way it has developed over the years is why it was featured in the 2019 exhibition Videogames: Design / Play / Disrupt at London's V&A Museum really makes me think that they used this article (not to mention the fact that they use File:IronException 2b2t Spawn Render July 2019.png and File:ThebesAndSound 2b2t Layers of Spawn Render February 2020.png).

All in all, I sadly think I will have to take a back seat on any&all editing to the 2b2t article relating to this. By which I mean only editing this talk page and not those passages of the main article.

Funny idea, but does this make me an expert source?? WP:SPS Self-published expert sources may be considered reliable when produced by an established subject-matter expert, whose work in the relevant field has previously been published by reliable, independent publications.[8] My work in the relevant field has indeed been previously published by reliable independent publications, PCGamer and Kotaku. It would be great if this means I can do things like say "no, PCGamer got the capitalization wrong, it's 'Nocom' not 'NoCom'". Can I?? Lol. Leijurv (talk) 19:52, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

@Hellknowz:@Melofors: Seeing as Leijurv can't add anything, are any of you willing to add the content? X-Editor (talk) 01:35, 3 August 2021 (UTC)