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'''17.''' The lead paragraph is "{{tq|'''Donald John Trump''' (born June 14, 1946) is the 45th and current [[president of the United States]]. Before entering politics, he [[Business career of Donald Trump|was a businessman]] and [[Media career of Donald Trump|television personality]].}}" The hatnote is simply {{t|Other uses}}. ([[Talk:Donald Trump/Archive 56#Why is "incumbent" necessary in the hatnote?|link 1]], [[Talk:Donald Trump/Archive 56#Request for comments (RFC) about whether the lead paragraph should say he's the current president|link 2]], [[Talk:Donald Trump/Archive 56#Which one of the proposed lede sentences will best describe Trump's current status as president?|link 3]], [[Talk:Donald Trump/Archive 58#Survey about "full time" in lead paragraph|link 4]], [[Talk:Donald Trump/Archive 59#'Prior to' or 'before'|link 5]], [[Talk:Donald Trump/Archive 64#EGG compliance in the first sentence|link 6]], [[Talk:Donald Trump/Archive 94#When to capitalize "president"?|link 7]]) Amended by [[Talk:Donald Trump/Archive 62#Lede Section Rewrite|lead section rewrite]] on {{diff||786973475||23 June 2017}} and [[Talk:Donald Trump/Archive 87#Lead sentence - "in office since January 20, 2017"|removal of inauguration date]] on {{diff||848763932||4 July 2018}}. Lower-case "p" in "president" per link 7 and [[Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Capital letters/Archive 25#RfC 2: Specific proposal to revise the third bullet of MOS:JOBTITLES|this October 2017 RFC]]. Wikilinks modified per [[Special:PermanentLink/953636518#Can we find a way to link to Presidency of Donald Trump in the first paragraph?|this April 2020 discussion]]. Wikilink modified again per [[Talk:Donald Trump/Archive 120#Moving the link for Trump's presidency|this July 2020 discussion]]. "45th" de-linked. ([[Talk:Donald Trump/Archive 130#Survey: Linking of "45th" in lead|link 8]]) Wording modified per [[Talk:Donald_Trump#Second_interim_proposal|link 9]] to "{{tq|'''Donald John Trump''' (born June 14, 1946) was the 45th [[president of the United States]] from 2017 to 2021. Before entering politics, he [[Business career of Donald Trump|was a businessman]] and [[Media career of Donald Trump|television personality]].}}"
'''17.''' The lead paragraph is "{{tq|'''Donald John Trump''' (born June 14, 1946) is the 45th and current [[president of the United States]]. Before entering politics, he [[Business career of Donald Trump|was a businessman]] and [[Media career of Donald Trump|television personality]].}}" The hatnote is simply {{t|Other uses}}. ([[Talk:Donald Trump/Archive 56#Why is "incumbent" necessary in the hatnote?|link 1]], [[Talk:Donald Trump/Archive 56#Request for comments (RFC) about whether the lead paragraph should say he's the current president|link 2]], [[Talk:Donald Trump/Archive 56#Which one of the proposed lede sentences will best describe Trump's current status as president?|link 3]], [[Talk:Donald Trump/Archive 58#Survey about "full time" in lead paragraph|link 4]], [[Talk:Donald Trump/Archive 59#'Prior to' or 'before'|link 5]], [[Talk:Donald Trump/Archive 64#EGG compliance in the first sentence|link 6]], [[Talk:Donald Trump/Archive 94#When to capitalize "president"?|link 7]]) Amended by [[Talk:Donald Trump/Archive 62#Lede Section Rewrite|lead section rewrite]] on {{diff||786973475||23 June 2017}} and [[Talk:Donald Trump/Archive 87#Lead sentence - "in office since January 20, 2017"|removal of inauguration date]] on {{diff||848763932||4 July 2018}}. Lower-case "p" in "president" per link 7 and [[Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Capital letters/Archive 25#RfC 2: Specific proposal to revise the third bullet of MOS:JOBTITLES|this October 2017 RFC]]. Wikilinks modified per [[Special:PermanentLink/953636518#Can we find a way to link to Presidency of Donald Trump in the first paragraph?|this April 2020 discussion]]. Wikilink modified again per [[Talk:Donald Trump/Archive 120#Moving the link for Trump's presidency|this July 2020 discussion]]. "45th" de-linked. ([[Talk:Donald Trump/Archive 130#Survey: Linking of "45th" in lead|link 8]])


'''18.''' The "Alma mater" infobox entry shows "{{tq|[[Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania|Wharton School]] ([[Bachelor of Science|BS]]{{thinsp}}[[Economics|Econ.]])}}", does not mention [[Fordham University]]. ([[Talk:Donald Trump/Archive 56#Universities in infobox|link 1]], [[Talk:Donald Trump/Archive 58#Reopening discussion about 'Universities in infobox'|link 2]], [[Talk:Donald Trump/Archive 122#University name in the Infobox?|link 3]], [[Talk:Donald Trump/Archive 129#Survey: University degree in infobox|link 4]])
'''18.''' The "Alma mater" infobox entry shows "{{tq|[[Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania|Wharton School]] ([[Bachelor of Science|BS]]{{thinsp}}[[Economics|Econ.]])}}", does not mention [[Fordham University]]. ([[Talk:Donald Trump/Archive 56#Universities in infobox|link 1]], [[Talk:Donald Trump/Archive 58#Reopening discussion about 'Universities in infobox'|link 2]], [[Talk:Donald Trump/Archive 122#University name in the Infobox?|link 3]], [[Talk:Donald Trump/Archive 129#Survey: University degree in infobox|link 4]])

Revision as of 15:50, 22 January 2021

Current consensus

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01. Use the official White House portrait as the infobox image. (link 1, link 2, link 3, link 4) (temporarily suspended by #19 following copyright issues on the inauguration portrait, enforced when an official public-domain portrait was released on 31 October 2017)

02. Show birthplace as "Queens, New York City" in the infobox. No state or country. (link 1, link 2) "New York City" de-linked. (link 3)

03. Omit reference to county-level election statistics. (link)

04. Obsolete
Lead phrasing of Trump "gaining a majority of the U.S. Electoral College" and "receiving a smaller share of the popular vote nationwide", without quoting numbers. (link 1, link 2) (superseded by #15 since 11 February 2017)

05. Use Donald Trump's net worth evaluation and matching rankings, from the Forbes annual list of billionaires (currently the 2020 edition, $2.1B/1001st/275th), not from monthly or "live" estimates. (link 1) In the lead section, just write: Forbes estimates his net worth to be [$x.x] billion. (link 2, link 3) Removed from the lead per #47.

06. Do not include allegations of sexual misconduct in the lead section. (link 1, link 2)

07. Superseded by #35
Include "Many of his public statements were controversial or false." in the lead. (link 1, link 2, wording shortened per link 3, upheld with link 4) (superseded by #35 since 18 February 2019)

08. Mention that Trump is the first president elected "without prior military or government service". (link)

09. Include a link to Trump's Twitter account in the "External links" section. (link) Include a link to an archive of Trump's Twitter account in the "External links" section. (link)

10. Keep Barron Trump's name in the list of children and wikilink it, which redirects to his section in Family of Donald Trump per AfD consensus. (link 1, link 2)

11. Superseded by #17
The lead sentence is "Donald John Trump (born June 14, 1946) is an American businessman, television personality, politician, and the 45th President of the United States." (link 1, link 2, link 3, link 4, link 5, link 6) (superseded by #17 since 2 April 2017)

12. The article title is Donald Trump, not Donald J. Trump. (link 1, link 2)

13. Auto-archival is set for discussions with no replies for 7 days. Manual archival is allowed for (1) closed discussions, 24 hours after the closure, provided the closure has not been challenged, and (2) "answered" edit requests, 24 hours after the "answer", provided there has been no follow-on discussion after the "answer". (link) (amended 16 November 2019, with respect to manual archiving, to better reflect common practice at this article) (link)

14. Omit mention of Trump's alleged bathmophobia/fear of slopes. (link)

15. Cancelled
There is no consensus to change the formulation of the paragraph which summarizes election results in the lead (starting with "Trump won the general election on November 8, 2016, …"). Accordingly the pre-RfC text has been restored, with minor adjustments to past tense.Special:Diff/764846021 No new changes should be applied without debate. (link 1, link 2, link 3, link 4) In particular, there is no consensus to include any wording akin to "losing the popular vote". (link 5) (cancelled by local consensus on 26 May 2017 and lead section rewrite on 23 June 2017)
16. Cancelled
Do not mention Russian influence on the presidential election in the lead section. (link) (cancelled by lead section rewrite on 23 June 2017)

17. The lead paragraph is "Donald John Trump (born June 14, 1946) is the 45th and current president of the United States. Before entering politics, he was a businessman and television personality." The hatnote is simply {{Other uses}}. (link 1, link 2, link 3, link 4, link 5, link 6, link 7) Amended by lead section rewrite on 23 June 2017 and removal of inauguration date on 4 July 2018. Lower-case "p" in "president" per link 7 and this October 2017 RFC. Wikilinks modified per this April 2020 discussion. Wikilink modified again per this July 2020 discussion. "45th" de-linked. (link 8)

18. The "Alma mater" infobox entry shows "Wharton School (BSEcon.)", does not mention Fordham University. (link 1, link 2, link 3, link 4)

19. Obsolete
Following deletion of Trump's official White House portrait for copyright reasons, it was replaced by File:Donald Trump Pentagon 2017.jpg. (link 1 for replacement, link 2, link 3, link 4 for background) (replaced by White House official public-domain portrait according to #1 since 31 October 2017)

20. Mention protests in the lead section with this exact wording: His election and policies have sparked numerous protests. (link 1, link 2)

21. Superseded by #39
Omit any opinions about Trump's psychology held by mental health academics or professionals who have not examined him. (link 1, link 2) (superseded by #36 on 18 June 2019, then by #39 since 20 August 2019)

22. Do not call Trump a "liar" in Wikipedia's voice. Falsehoods he uttered can be mentioned, while being mindful of calling them "lies", which implies malicious intent. (link)

23. The lead includes the following sentence: Trump ordered a travel ban on citizens from several Muslim-majority countries, citing security concerns; after legal challenges, the Supreme Court upheld the policy's third revision. (link 1, link 2, link 3, link 4, link 5) Wording updated on 6 July 2018 (link 6) and 23 September 2018 (link 7).

24. Superseded by #30
Do not include allegations of racism in the lead. (link) (superseded by #30 since 16 August 2018)

25. Do not add web archives to cited sources which are not dead. (link 1, link 2)

26. Do not include opinions by Michael Hayden and Michael Morell that Trump is a "useful fool […] manipulated by Moscow" or an "unwitting agent of the Russian Federation". (link)

27. State that Trump falsely claimed that Hillary Clinton started the Barack Obama birther rumors. (link 1, link 2)

28. Include, in the Wealth section, a sentence on Jonathan Greenberg's allegation that Trump deceived him in order to get on the Forbes 400 list. (link 1, link 2)

29. Include material about the Trump administration family separation policy in the article. (link)

30. The lead includes: "Many of his comments and actions have been characterized as racially charged or racist." (link 1, link 2, link 3)

31. Do not mention Trump's office space donation to Jesse Jackson's Rainbow/Push Coalition in 1999. (link)

32. Omit from the lead the fact that Trump is the first sitting U.S. president to meet with a North Korean supreme leader. (link 1, link 2)

33. Do not mention "birtherism" in the lead section. (link)

34. Refer to Ivana Zelníčková as a Czech model, with a link to Czechs (people), not Czechoslovakia (country). (link)

35. Superseded by #49
Include in the lead: Trump has made many false or misleading statements during his campaign and presidency. The statements have been documented by fact-checkers, and the media have widely described the phenomenon as unprecedented in American politics. (link)
36. Superseded by #39
Include one paragraph merged from Health of Donald Trump describing views about Trump's psychology expressed by public figures, media sources, and mental health professionals who have not examined him. (link 1) (paragraph removed per followup RfC yielding consensus #39)

37. Resolved: Content related to Trump's presidency should be limited to summary-level about things that are likely to have a lasting impact on his life and/or long-term presidential legacy. If something is borderline or debatable, the resolution does not apply. (link)

38. Do not state in the lead that Trump is the wealthiest U.S. president ever. (link)

39. Do not include any paragraph regarding Trump's mental health. (link)

40. Include, when discussing Trump's exercise or the lack thereof: He has called golfing his "primary form of exercise", although he usually does not walk the course. He considers exercise a waste of energy, because he believes the body is "like a battery, with a finite amount of energy" which is depleted by exercise. (link)

41. Omit book authorship (or lack thereof) from the lead section. (link)

42. House and Senate outcomes of the impeachment process are separated by a full stop. For example: He was impeached by the House on December 18, 2019, for abuse of power and obstruction of Congress. He was acquitted of both charges by the Senate on February 5, 2020. (link)

43. The rules for edits to the lead are no different from those for edits below the lead. For edits that do not conflict with existing consensus: Prior consensus is NOT required. BOLD edits are allowed, subject to normal BRD process. The mere fact that an edit has not been discussed is not a valid reason to revert it. (link)

44. The lead section should mention North Korea, focusing on Trump's meetings with Kim, and stating that they haven't produced clear results. (link)

45. Superseded by #48
There is no consensus to mention the COVID-19 pandemic in the lead section. (link 1, link 2) (cancelled by RfC closure on 23 August 2020)

46. Use the caption "Official portrait, 2017" for the infobox image. (link 1, link 2)

47. Do not mention Trump's net worth or Forbes ranking (or equivalents from other publications) in the lead, nor in the infobox. (link)

48. Trump's reaction to the COVID-19 pandemic should be mentioned in the lead section. There is no consensus on specific wording, but the status quo is Trump reacted slowly to the COVID-19 pandemic; he minimized the threat, ignored or contradicted many recommendations from health officials, and promoted false information about unproven treatments and the availability of testing. (link 1, link 2)

49. Include in lead: Trump has made many false and misleading statements during his campaigns and presidency, to a degree unprecedented in American politics. (link)