User contributions for 146.199.0.203

13 March 2018

• 00:0600:06, 13 March 2018 diff hist +2‎ 624 Hektor ‎ oh ffs. ok, NOW i'm done.... (?)
• 00:0500:05, 13 March 2018 diff hist +6‎ 624 Hektor ‎ Right. That's it, with these tiny tweaks I'm officially done with the Trojans. Happy with my own contributions to this point, other than not yet being able to find any database for the Veres2015 PAN-STARRS study, and have the best-estimate sizes all copied into my own project. Have at it as you will...
• 00:0100:01, 13 March 2018 diff hist +2‎ 624 Hektor ‎ ok, that's not how that works. like this?
• 00:0000:00, 13 March 2018 diff hist +105‎ 624 Hektor ‎ small formatting tickles, and that data needs *some* kind of backup, even with the "derived" waiver (the figure can be arrived at directly *from* the Marchis data, even if they don't say it outright).

12 March 2018

• 23:5423:54, 12 March 2018 diff hist +1,726‎ 624 Hektor ‎ Hektor's ... ''unique'' characteristics make this article a bit more of a challenge to try and update with the extra citations (even if they're ones I might have deleted myself originally...?) etc vs the other trojans, so having my best crack at it, hopefully this works... there might be a couple of hiccups which I'll try to hammer out asap. Captcha: SuitSanta :)
• 23:3323:33, 12 March 2018 diff hist +821‎ 624 Hektor ‎ →‎Studies: Although the more recent high resolution imaging studies cast some doubt on the accuracy of their figures, I have checked these all-sky, lower (spatial and temporal) resolution databases now that an actual source has been uncovered, and Hektor does appear in two out of the three... so it seems their data should be acknowledged and listed in *some* way.
• 23:1323:13, 12 March 2018 diff hist 0‎ 911 Agamemnon ‎ actually once we consider the Timerson datapoint, the average rises to 163km anyway... like, *exactly* 163.00km (which isn't that strange, a .00 should happen once out of every 100 after all). So, the miles conversion and those +/- things have to change too. And of course it's now even further away from "160"km.
• 23:0823:08, 12 March 2018 diff hist +1,679‎ 911 Agamemnon ‎ topping off corrective edits to data and links as per example of 884 Priamus. Replacing the direct citations for the inline data with links that actually point to the data rather than the related (but individually useless) journal articles, preserving links to said articles by moving them into the External Links section. There's less metadata in the latter case of course, but there should be more than enough information to preserve accessibility under any realistic sub-apocalyptic circumstance where Wikipedia itself still operates (and author names etc are present within the articles themselves), and the original metadata has been kept as HTML comments just in case. Also, as no (accessible) data could be found associated with the (in any case obsolete) WISE preliminary release (written here to 2dp), and the NEOWISE data only displays to 2dp (but has been written here to an excessive 3dp), the latter has been removed, but its citation tied to the former instead. Also, that Veres thing.
• 22:5922:59, 12 March 2018 diff hist +18‎ 911 Agamemnon ‎ answer: no. so, let's do this manually. hopefully this compromise will dissatisfy all interested parties to an equal degree, thus be the best of all possible individually bad options.
• 22:5622:56, 12 March 2018 diff hist −14‎ 911 Agamemnon ‎ second experiement: can you put the error figures in the convert tag?
• 22:5522:55, 12 March 2018 diff hist +2‎ 911 Agamemnon ‎ whhhhhhhhhhhoooooooops. killed the infobox. anyway, that val thing didn't work, i'll edit it out as soon as committing this quick fix
• 22:5422:54, 12 March 2018 diff hist −5‎ 911 Agamemnon ‎ Had a thought that maybe adding +/- to the size estimate might help, but not sure how to incorporate that with the miles conversion without doing the whole thing manually (although 161km == 100 miles (or exactly 100.043) isn't the world's hardest sum), so experimenting to see if the val tag can be coerced into displaying the vertically stacked asymmetrical error thing without an actual number on the left. Also removing yet another questionable Veres citation - as per all the others, there's no mention of this object in the linked PAN-STARRS report (which is essentially an executive summary), and it's not yet clear if there's any publicly searchable (thus, verifiable) database attached to it, and if so, where it is...
• 22:4822:48, 12 March 2018 diff hist −10‎ 911 Agamemnon ‎ Look. You're being ridiculous. Perfectly happy with the cited measurements being given out to 6sf, yet a simple mean of them doesn't have "enough" (pray tell, what would qualify?) information to be rounded off to anything more than 1sf, even though we're down in the 1's anyway (or maybe the 2's?) if that's applied equally to kilometres as well as miles? This is how scientific statistics work. You can make an estimate to 3sf from multiple data points that are themselves given to 5sf, even if they are individually divergent from each other. If you're not going to accept that, then at least be consistent and round off all the cited measurements to 1sf as well. In any case, apparently the JPL datatable (which mainly uses NEOWISE data alone) showing the size ranking of the top 10 trojans with 3sf precision is perfectly good to transclude in all the articles without even a sidenote that it might not be absolutely correct and could do with updating more in line with the actual articles...
• 22:3422:34, 12 March 2018 diff hist +261‎ 1437 Diomedes ‎ →‎Diameter and albedo: just so we don't have any accusation of bias, even in the extremely minor realm of how-far-up-the-top-10-jupiter-trojan-list-a-particular-asteroid-is-placed.
• 22:3122:31, 12 March 2018 diff hist +1,295‎ 1437 Diomedes ‎ Source/etc revision pt2. Re-correcting links as per example of 884 Priamus. Replacing the direct citations for the inline data with links that actually point to the data rather than the related (but individually useless) journal articles, preserving links to said articles by moving them into the External Links section. There's less metadata in the latter case of course, but there should be more than enough information to preserve accessibility under any realistic sub-apocalyptic circumstance where Wikipedia itself still operates (and author names etc are present within the articles themselves), and the original metadata has been kept as HTML comments just in case. Also, as no (accessible) data could be found associated with the (in any case obsolete) WISE preliminary release (written here to 2dp), and the NEOWISE data only displays to 2dp (but has been written here to an excessive 3dp), the latter has been removed, but its citation tied to the former instead.
• 22:2222:22, 12 March 2018 diff hist +614‎ 1437 Diomedes ‎ Correcting data and sources (and tidying the formatting and code), part 1, including removing the currently mysterious "Veres" citation (the link doesn't point to anything that can be used to verify the figure). Further edits lower down the page and to the reference list (to get rid of those angry red error messages) to come shortly, i.e. I'll be embarking on them immediately after hitting Publish
• 22:0222:02, 12 March 2018 diff hist +582‎ Talk:1172 Äneas ‎ →‎"137km suggests too much knowledge, so reducing this to 1sf"
• 21:5821:58, 12 March 2018 diff hist +225‎ Talk:1172 Äneas ‎ →‎"137km suggests too much knowledge, so reducing this to 1sf"
• 21:5721:57, 12 March 2018 diff hist +1,994‎ Talk:1172 Äneas ‎ →‎"137km suggests too much knowledge, so reducing this to 1sf": new section
• 21:4421:44, 12 March 2018 diff hist −238‎ 1172 Äneas ‎ there we go, that should do the trick
• 21:4121:41, 12 March 2018 diff hist +1,050‎ 1172 Äneas ‎ →‎External links: though whilst i've got the notepad file open, may as well copy these in just quick
• 21:4021:40, 12 March 2018 diff hist +854‎ 1172 Äneas ‎ →‎References: One of these is no longer relevant, the other I appear to have deleted by mistake. The latter I'll try to fix tout suite, the other will have to wait until I have more time and am even more bored.
• 21:3421:34, 12 March 2018 diff hist +82‎ 1172 Äneas ‎ →‎References: ok, there, fixed, in line with the original example of 884 Priamus, including the retirement of the original separate WISE and NEOWISE links (which will, along with the full AKARI article and a direct link to the IRAS data files, be added into the External Links section shortly) as they've been superceded by a direct link into the finalised (rather than now-obsolete preliminary) results. Captcha = Joshcake.
• 21:3121:31, 12 March 2018 diff hist −215‎ 1172 Äneas ‎ →‎Physical characteristics: ...eh, screw it, this is probably a better solution.
• 21:3021:30, 12 March 2018 diff hist +41‎ 1172 Äneas ‎ →‎Physical characteristics: OK, so that attempt at tagging smartassery didn't quite work... back to the old way of doing things. Also that mention of position on the size list seemed a bit awkward, particularly having the sizes repeated within a few lines of their original appearance, so have reworded it a little to be natural and give a better reason for the repetition
• 21:2621:26, 12 March 2018 diff hist +58‎ 1172 Äneas ‎ Afraid I can't find any actual source for the 8.08 magnitude even in that one PAN-STARRS preliminary document, which hasn't got an attached user-readable file containing its 250,000 object measurements (unlike IRAS, NEOWISE and AKARI which all turned out to have similar). Maybe there's a URL reference hidden somewhere in its rather dense PDF, but I'm editing on the hoof here and haven't several hours to spend tracking down something that may or may not exist like I did with the other three. Plus, it doesn't agree with any of the other results - even the JPLdata citation for it turned out to be false (if you follow it, it says 8.33, same as all the others), so it seems extremely questionable at this point. NB, in the middle of a full article edit, haven't got down to the references section yet, so they will remain temporarily broken for the next few minutes.
• 21:1521:15, 12 March 2018 diff hist −2‎ 1172 Äneas ‎ evenly weighted mean of the listed estimates comes out at 136.5km, thus, 137km. Integers are good enough for our purposes here. Taking a 2sf figure in one set of units and trying to force it to convert to 1sf in another is just asking for trouble - of which this is a perfect example, because the overly-rounded(-up) 140km comes out not as the 87 miles that would directly convert to, or the 85 miles it should display as, or the 80 miles that the more exact 84.8 mile calculation would come out as... but 90 miles. Which is the wrongest possible result out of four alternatives. Don't overthink these things, just keep it simple, else we'll end up in an endless cycle of chasing new errors introduced by over-correcting old ones.
• 21:0421:04, 12 March 2018 diff hist −9‎ 588 Achilles ‎ ah, right... because it was a Convert tag, not a Val, and I somehow completely mentally blanked that bit. Derr. Anyway, fixing that, and the order which the figures are listed, as the convention in these sidebars appears to be to list them off in ascending order.
• 21:0121:01, 12 March 2018 diff hist +2‎ 588 Achilles ‎ ack, missed one. this code is hard to read.
• 21:0121:01, 12 March 2018 diff hist +4‎ 588 Achilles ‎ so how did the previous (needlessly-converting-to-days) VAL tag get away with only putting "|h|d" in without any "u=", if you can't omit it without the extra sections?
• 21:0021:00, 12 March 2018 diff hist +1,234‎ 588 Achilles ‎ Re-correcting links as per example of 884 Priamus. Replacing the direct citations for the inline data with links that actually point to the data rather than the related (but individually useless) journal articles, preserving links to said articles by moving them into the External Links section. There's less metadata in the latter case of course, but there should be more than enough information to preserve accessibility under any realistic sub-apocalyptic circumstance where Wikipedia itself still operates (and author names etc are present within the articles themselves), and the original metadata has been kept as HTML comments just in case.
• 20:4520:45, 12 March 2018 diff hist +5‎ 1143 Odysseus ‎ That dot notation is quite neat, but only really works where there's sufficient horizontal space to fit in all or a significant proportion of the datapoints within a single line (or two lines without any ugly breaks)... unfortunately the WP sidebar doesn't satisfy this requirement and the result is a touch messy. Sticking each one on a separate line isn't going to extend the bar vertically by a significant amount, especially given how many minimally-different lightcurve readings appear almost immediately above...
• 20:4120:41, 12 March 2018 diff hist +15‎ 1143 Odysseus ‎ code prettification :p
• 20:4020:40, 12 March 2018 diff hist +1,354‎ 1143 Odysseus ‎ Re-correcting links as per example of 884 Priamus. Replacing the direct citations for the inline data with links that actually point to the data rather than the related (but individually useless) journal articles, preserving links to said articles by moving them into the External Links section. There's less metadata in the latter case of course, but there should be more than enough information to preserve accessibility under any realistic sub-apocalyptic circumstance where Wikipedia itself still operates (and author names etc are present within the articles themselves), and the original metadata has been kept as HTML comments just in case. Also, as no (accessible) data could be found associated with the (in any case obsolete) WISE preliminary release (written here to 2dp), and the NEOWISE data only displays to 2dp (but has been written here to an excessive 3dp), the latter has been removed, but its citation tied to the former instead.
• 20:2720:27, 12 March 2018 diff hist 0‎ 1867 Deiphobus ‎ equally weighted mean of the four listed size estimates comes to 123.71km, therefore rounds to 124, not 123.
• 20:2620:26, 12 March 2018 diff hist −5‎ 1867 Deiphobus ‎ I can't work out why this went italic when put inside a VAR tag, so may as well just write it out in full as it's pretty simple
• 20:2420:24, 12 March 2018 diff hist +1‎ 1867 Deiphobus ‎ le whoops
• 20:2320:23, 12 March 2018 diff hist +1,200‎ 1867 Deiphobus ‎ Re-correcting links as per example of 884 Priamus. Replacing the direct citations for the inline data with links that actually point to the data rather than the related (but individually useless) journal articles, preserving links to said articles by moving them into the External Links section. There's less metadata in the latter case of course, but there should be more than enough information to preserve accessibility under any realistic sub-apocalyptic circumstance where Wikipedia itself still operates (and author names etc are present within the articles themselves), and the original metadata has been kept as HTML comments just in case. Also, as no (accessible) data could be found associated with the (in any case obsolete) WISE preliminary release (written here to 2dp), and the NEOWISE data only displays to 2dp (but has been written here to an excessive 3dp), the latter has been removed, but its citation tied to the former instead.

11 March 2018

• 23:5723:57, 11 March 2018 diff hist +91‎ 1173 Anchises ‎No edit summary
• 23:5523:55, 11 March 2018 diff hist +1,451‎ 1173 Anchises ‎ Re-correcting links as per example of 884 Priamus. Replacing the direct citations for the inline data with links that actually point to the data rather than the related (but individually useless) journal articles, preserving links to said articles by moving them into the External Links section. There's less metadata in the latter case of course, but there should be more than enough information to preserve accessibility under any realistic sub-apocalyptic circumstance where Wikipedia itself still operates (and author names etc are present within the articles themselves), and the original metadata has been kept as HTML comments just in case. Also, as no (accessible) data could be found associated with the (in any case obsolete) WISE preliminary release (written here to 2dp), and the NEOWISE data only displays to 2dp (but has been written here to an excessive 3dp), the latter has been removed, but its citation tied to the former instead.
• 23:4423:44, 11 March 2018 diff hist +10‎ 1173 Anchises ‎ just to emphasise that there's quite a difference between them (like, nearly 40km, or getting on for a 50% variability)
• 23:4223:42, 11 March 2018 diff hist +9‎ 1173 Anchises ‎ A word seems to have missing
• 23:4223:42, 11 March 2018 diff hist +3‎ 1173 Anchises ‎ let's see if the same is still readable with the smaller sidebar typeface (especially under the mobile-display-esque 80% zoom I'm using in order to make WP fit nicely in just one half of my monitor...)
• 23:4023:40, 11 March 2018 diff hist +2‎ 1173 Anchises ‎ →‎Shape and surface: the cited paper actually says +18/-11km, and as WP gives us the ability to display that lopsided error correctly, let's do so
• 23:3323:33, 11 March 2018 diff hist +242‎ Talk:659 Nestor ‎ →‎659 Nestor should not be confused with Planet Nestor the nearest true Earth-like Planet
• 23:3123:31, 11 March 2018 diff hist +448‎ Talk:659 Nestor ‎ →‎What do the little (R)'s mean?: new section
• 23:2923:29, 11 March 2018 diff hist +243‎ Talk:659 Nestor ‎ →‎659 Nestor should not be confused with Planet Nestor the nearest true Earth-like Planet
• 23:2723:27, 11 March 2018 diff hist +741‎ Talk:3451 Mentor ‎ →‎So many lightcurve times references on the sidebar :-o: new section
• 23:2223:22, 11 March 2018 diff hist +938‎ 3451 Mentor ‎ Re-correcting links as per example of 884 Priamus. Replacing the direct citations for the inline data with links that actually point to the data rather than the related (but individually useless) journal articles, preserving links to said articles by moving them into the External Links section. There's less metadata in the latter case of course, but there should be more than enough information to preserve accessibility under any realistic sub-apocalyptic circumstance where Wikipedia itself still operates (and author names etc are present within the articles themselves), and the original metadata has been kept as HTML comments just in case. Also, as no (accessible) data could be found associated with the (in any case obsolete) WISE preliminary release (written here to 2dp), and the NEOWISE data only displays to 2dp (but has been written here to an excessive 3dp), the latter has been removed, but its citation tied to the former instead.
• 23:0523:05, 11 March 2018 diff hist +1,167‎ 3317 Paris ‎ Re-correcting links as per example of 884 Priamus. Replacing the direct citations for the inline data with links that actually point to the data rather than the related (but individually useless) journal articles, preserving links to said articles by moving them into the External Links section. There's less metadata in the latter case of course, but there should be more than enough information to preserve accessibility under any realistic sub-apocalyptic circumstance where Wikipedia itself still operates (and author names etc are present within the articles themselves), and the original metadata has been kept as HTML comments just in case. Also, as no (accessible) data could be found associated with the (in any case obsolete) WISE preliminary release (written here to 2dp), and the NEOWISE data only displays to 2dp (but has been written here to an excessive 3dp), the latter has been removed, but its citation tied to the former instead.