@Laurel Lodged: I was not expecting this set of nominations. Are there church parishes in all of these countries/provinces? if not, renaming seems unnecessary. E.g. lv:Pagasts relates an entirely secular history for parishes in Latvia. – FayenaticLondon14:12, 17 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Fayenatic london: I had assumed that the recent category redirect work provided a mandate for these nominations. That's why I went the speedy route instead of WP:CRD..Had the proposals gone ahead, then the original title would have become a category redirect for churches in those places (and ecclesiastical parishes if they exist). Laurel Lodged (talk) 15:45, 19 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Laurel Lodged: But if there never were ecclesiastical parishes in a country, then it would be unnecessary to disambiguate "parishes" by using a longer name, and incorrect to set up a disambiguation link at "parishes" to "churches". I suggest two conditions precedent for the above renamings: (i) that the place also has church parishes, and (ii) that the church and civil parishes have diverged. Otherwise, just "parishes" is best. – FayenaticLondon16:22, 19 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Fayenatic london: "if there never were ecclesiastical parishes in a country..." Don't be silly. Of course there were ecclesiastical parishes in a country. How else could a civil parish exist had it not devolved from the ecclesiastical parish? They still exist. There just might not be articles about them. I disagree with your two conditions. A better condition would be "How likely is it that somebody clicking on 'Parishes of Andorra' would expect to find ecclesiastical parishes?". I suspect that the answer is "Quite likely" and therefor a longer name is (i) beneficial and (ii) does no harm. Laurel Lodged (talk) 16:48, 19 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Certainly let's process Category:Parishes of Scotland to Category:Civil parishes of Scotland, all the more as the article says "While they originally corresponded to the parishes of the Church of Scotland, the number and boundaries of parishes soon diverged." This will also bring it into line with England and NI. But as for others, if civil & church parishes have not diverged, then the categories should not be renamed. E.g. in Andorra, Catholic Church in Andorra has the same 7 parishes as the civil parishes of Andorra, including the new one founded in 1978 – but perhaps that's not surprising as Andorra has Co-Princes as its head of state, jointly the French President and a Spanish bishop, so civil and ecclesiastical government may be remaining in step there much more than elsewhere. – FayenaticLondon18:38, 20 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Blanket moving of articles without considering the contents is going to lead to problems, such as in the case of New Kilpatrick where the ecclesiastical parish and civil parishes once diverged, but the civil parish no longer exists. It is wrong to categorise this as a "Civil parish of Scotland" when only the ecclesiastical parish remains. Wikiwayman (talk) 13:24, 22 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
